Health Education AIDS Liaison, Toronto
October 18, 1998
The Toronto Sun
'MIND FIELD' FOR AIDS
NOBEL WINNER SAYS HIV MAY NOT EXIST
By MICHAEL CLEMENT -- and BRAD HONYWILL
You might be forgiven for thinking that Nobel prize-winning chemist
Dr. Kary Mullis is a little eccentric.
The 53-year-old Californian who has a PhD in biochemistry was
once confronted in Mendocino County, in his home state, by a
"glowing raccoon" that spoke to him.
"And thereafter, for the next six hours, I don't know what happened,
but by six o'clock the next morning, I was walking down this road in
perfect physical condition," Mullis told a Sunday Sun reporter
yesterday, after arriving in Toronto with wife No. 4, Nancy Cosgrove
Mullis, 50 -- the "primo wife."
True to form, Mullis' visit fired up a storm of discussion long before
his plane touched the tarmac at Pearson. And it will continue long
after he speaks tonight in a free public lecture at the University of
Toronto's OISE auditorium on Bloor St. W., beginning at 7 p.m.
Of course, that's what HEAL (Health Education AIDS Liaison) had in
mind when it set up the Mullis forum. HEAL, one of several AIDS
dissent groups, claims 500 supporters in Toronto and Vancouver and
10,000 worldwide.
At their forum, Mullis will discuss his belief that HIV does not cause
AIDS and promote his new book Dancing Naked in the Mind Field.
Mullis said he wasn't under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs
when the raccoon spoke to him in 1987, but he does reserve for
himself the "privilege" of taking either acid or mushrooms "once in a
while."
Pot smoker
During his life Mullis, who loves surfing, says he has smoked "quite
a bit" of grass but "now not as often as I used to."
Although still very much a cry in the wilderness, the AIDS dissent
movement has been around almost as long as the disease itself. Mullis
is just one of several high-profile spokesmen which include writer
Christine Maggiore and, the guru of the movement, distinguished
virologist and AIDS researcher Dr. Peter Duesberg.
Duesberg and his followers say the link between HIV and AIDS has
never been proven.
He says AIDS is the accumulated affect of previous infections,
particularly venereal diseases, aggravated by drug abuse and other
lifestyle factors that weaken the body's immune system.
Mullis has similar opinions.
"The difference between my view and Peter's is that I don't really
feel I have evidence to say venereal diseases and the like are the
cause. I don't have evidence for anything that causes AIDS," said
Mullis.
"I'm saying there is no scientific evidence that you could quote to
support the notion that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS," Mullis
told The Sunday Sun.
"I'm saying I can't find any evidence that it does. I can't find any,
and neither can anybody else."
He said that taking "29 different symptoms" and combining them
under one umbrella called AIDS is done for "financial reasons ...
people who are being supported by the NIH (National Institute of
Health in the U.S.) or by private companies that are trying to make
money off curing AIDS," he said.
When AIDS was first defined, he said, there were four different
symptoms or diseases that made it up: Kaposi's Sarcoma, a skin
cancer; a type of pneumonia; and "two fungi that I can't even
remember."
"Now it's expanded to 29 symptoms, one of which is uterine cancer
another of which is tuberculosis," he said. "When are we going to put
heart attacks in there? What about getting run over by a truck?
"That is an incredibly risky definition," to say that "once you have
contracted HIV anything else that you get ... you wouldn't have gotten
it had you not had HIV in the first place."
And Africa is not being ravaged by AIDS either, according to Mullis.
Asked if there was AIDS in Africa he said: "I would say there's no
real AIDS anywhere. AIDS is a word."
Asked if HIV itself even exists, he said, "it may or it may not. There
is a test for it. But if you take the test and find out that you're positive
for it and go back and take the test again, you might find out you're
negative.
"AIDS is an American disease, it has nothing to do with Africa ...
They've got the same thing they've had for 500 years in Africa:
Malnutrition and lack of sanitation. If you want to call it AIDS --
great. It's like the Christians called everything the devil."
But Mullis is no fool. His biggest invention was Polymerase Chain
Reaction or PCR, a "chemical reaction" where various chemicals react
with blood to indicate whether given DNA sequences, including
viruses, are present.
For that he won the Nobel prize in 1993.
He got about $375,000 and a similar amount when he won the Japan
Prize, earlier that same year, for the same invention.
"I blew it all -- well, not really," he said.
John Scythes, a prominent Toronto AIDS dissident and owner of the
Glad Day bookstore, believes that AIDS may in fact be the ultimate
form of untreated syphilis. In its advanced stage, syphilis has similar
symptoms to AIDS and is very difficult to diagnose.
All of this enrages mainstream AIDS scientists and activists. They
fear that discrediting the HIV theory negates more than a decade of
huge public campaigns promoting safe sex. It also discourages people
living with AIDS from using new medications that are based on the
HIV model, like protease inhibitors.
"We think they're doing a lot of harm to people who don't know
better," says Paul MacPhee, co-chairman of AIDS Action Now, a
Toronto activist group fighting for improved treatment and facilities.
MacPhee points to an 80% drop in AIDS-related deaths during the
1995-97 period, coinciding with the introduction of protease
inhibitors.
AIDS dissenters throw back their own studies which they say show
that the new drugs, rather than helping to cure AIDS, simply
aggravate it.
For MacPhee, it's an issue that's up close and personal. He feels he
owes his life to the new drugs and has experienced the death of too
many friends who didn't, or weren't able to, choose that option.*

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